Rudy Giuliani gives voting fraud ‘evidence’ at odd press conference

Donald Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani delivered a rambling monologue Thursday meant to reveal evidence for a ‘massive’ vote fraud where he quoted ‘My Cousin Vinny’ and claimed he had ‘hundreds’ of sworn affidavits as evidence that he would not share.

After suffering dozens of legal defeats on President Trump’s multi-state case to throw out ballots, Giuliani resorted to an extended rant about alleged fraud to reporters packed in tightly at the Republican National Committee headquarters in Washington.  

‘Did you all watch My Cousin Vinny?’ he said, seeking to make the point that election observers were kept too far away from ballots during the count.

‘These people were further away than My Cousin Vinny was from the witness,’ he said. 

Giuliani, the former New York mayor, even acted out part of a scene played by actor Joe Pesci, using a Brooklyn accent. He called it one of his favorite crime films. 

He said the race was ‘not a victory. It’s a fraud.’

As he spoke and evidently perspired, a bead of dark liquid ran down the right side of his face.   

His charges ran the gamut, and he spoke before a team of lawyers and a sign that was meant to show Trump’s ‘Multiple Pathways to Victory.’ It highlighted states all carried by President-elect Joe Bien.    

‘What I’m describing for you is a massive fraud. It isn’t a little teeny one,’ he said.  

‘The president way ahead on election night,’ Giuliani, 76, said.

He bristled at a question about whether he would seek to drag out cases, and what he would do with his evidence if courts refuse to hear it.

”We’re not going to drag it out. It’s ridiculous for you to say we’re dragging it out. Al Gore had a lot more time than we have had and we have had two weeks to investigate so that’s also completely unfair to say we’re dragging it out,’ he said.

I'm melting: As the bizarre press conference went on, a heavily sweating Giuliani began to have streaks of apparent hair dye on the side of his face

I’m melting: As the bizarre press conference went on, a heavily sweating Giuliani began to have streaks of apparent hair dye on the side of his face

Not socially-distanced: Rudy Giuliani was surrounded by a maskless group on stage including from left Sidney Powell, who is Mike Flynn's attorney, Joseph diGenova and his wife Victoria Toensing, a husband-and-wife lawyer team who have promoted conspiracy theories, and Boris Epshteyn, a Trump aide

Not socially-distanced: Rudy Giuliani was surrounded by a maskless group on stage including from left Sidney Powell, who is Mike Flynn’s attorney, Joseph diGenova and his wife Victoria Toensing, a husband-and-wife lawyer team who have promoted conspiracy theories, and Boris Epshteyn, a Trump aide

Head of the suit: THis is the man leading Donald Trump's fight to overturn the election results

Head of the suit: THis is the man leading Donald Trump’s fight to overturn the election results

Running: The president's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani had matching streaks of either hair dye or make-up on both sides of his face as he addressed the media

Running: The president's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani had matching streaks of either hair dye or make-up on both sides of his face as he addressed the media

Running: The president’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani had matching streaks of either hair dye or make-up on both sides of his face as he addressed the media

Donald Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani delivered a rambling monologue Thursday where he asserted 'massive fraud' in the election, 'not a little teeny one'

Donald Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani delivered a rambling monologue Thursday where he asserted ‘massive fraud’ in the election, ‘not a little teeny one’

He expressed shock at how the vote changed as absentee ballots came in.

‘We have statisticians willing to testify,’ Giuliani said, in a harangue that lasted for more than 40 minutes.

He blasted Detroit and Philadelphia, cities with concentrations of black voters where he said there was fraud in elections going back decades. 

My Cousin Vinny: Rudy Giuliani impersonated Vinny Gambini as he compared his legal case to Joe Pesce's character

My Cousin Vinny: Rudy Giuliani impersonated Vinny Gambini as he compared his legal case to Joe Pesce’s character

‘Each one of these cities are cities that are controlled by Democrats. Which means they can get away with whatever they want to do,’ he claimed.

‘Unfortunately they have some friendly judges that will issue ridiculously irrational opinions just to come out in their favor,’ he said, days after losing in the Pennsylvania state supreme court.  

‘Even Tanzania and places that you wouldn’t think of had rules about inspectors,’ he said, without explaining why it would be surprising for the East African nation to observe the vote count.

He also attacked the media, who sat silently as he trained his attacks on them about 30 minutes into his presentation.

‘I know you keep reporting falsely that we have no evidence,’ he said. Then he read a single affidavit of Jesse Jacob alleging fraud at the Detroit center where votes were counted.

A judge found the claims, while serious, were ‘generalized’ and had ‘no date, location, frequency, or names of employees.’

But it was the only one he shared. ”We have 100 more of these. I can’t show them to you.’ He said it was because people who filled them out would be ‘harassed.’ 

‘The American people are entitled to know this. You don’t have a right to keep it from them,’ he lectured the press.

‘If you count the lawful votes, Trump won Wisconsin by a good margin,’ he said. 

He promised additional suits in Arizona, Georgia, New Mexico, and other states. 

‘If you count the legal votes in Pennsylvania, he won by about 300,000 votes,’ he said. 

‘We have very significant fraud allegations in the state of New Mexico,’ Giuliani said of the state that went for Biden.

But he held back information. 

‘This had to be planned in advance,’ he said, complaining that observers were put in ‘pens’ and ‘corrals.’ 

As he wrapped up, Giuliani lobbed more wild accusations, this time referencing Dominion Voting Systems machines that are the subject of a conspiracy touted by Trump that they ‘deleted’ votes for him and ‘switched’ votes from Biden to Trump.

‘What we are seeing is massive influence of Communist money from Venezuela, Cuba and likely China,’ he said. 

‘We use largely a Venezuelan voting machine to count our vote,’ he said.

‘Joe Biden is in the lead because of the fraudulent ballots,’ Giuliani claimed.

Then he yielded the mic to lawyer Sidney Powell, who represented former Trump national security advisor Mike Flynn when he sought to retract his guilty plea.

‘The world is watching this,’ said Powell. 

Another lawyer, Jenna Ellis, also lectured the press, who were forced to sit silently for an hour of presentations in a cramped room where none of the speakers wore masks as the pandemic reached record levels.

‘I can see all of you taking pictures right now and I can anticipate what your headlines are going to be,’ she sneered. 

then she provided the quasi-military unofficial name of the group.

”This is an elite strike-force team working on behalf of the president … to make sure that our Constitution is protected,’ she said.

The group includes Giuliani, Powell, Ellis, former U.S. attorney Joe DiGenova and his wife and fellow lawyer Victoria Toensing. 

‘I don’t know what you need to wake you up? To do your job!’ Giuliani lectured the press.

 The former federal prosecutor spoke to his past. 

I know crimes. I can smell them. You don’t have to smell this one,’ he said.

‘When I went to bed on election night, he was ahead in all those states … How is it they all turned around?’ he asked.

‘Our goal here is to go around the iron curtain of censorship,’ Giuliani said, before calling on Trump loyalist outfit OANN. 

Even after the attacks on the media, the lawyers took multiple questions from the press – including a series of softballs from seemingly friendly outlets provided seating in the front row.

Finally pressed about his string of legal defeats, Giuliani attacked the judiciary in Democratic states. ‘Judges are appointed politically, and too many of them are hacks,’ he said. 

Powell floated a conspiracy theory centered around money-making. ‘Think about the global interests behind your own news organizations,’ she said. ‘They make one heck of a lot of money off of it.’

Ellis tried to discourage questions about evidence, saying people who would inquire don’t understand the judicial process.

”Your question is fundamentally flawed when you’re asking where is the evidence,’ she said.

Giuliani acknowledged several members of the legal team who have dropped off of the bevy of lawsuits the Trump camp has organized.

‘We have difficulty getting lawyers because our lawyers get threatened with being killed because of the ridiculous way in which you cover this,’ he said.   


Donald Trump does have a precarious – and politically explosive – path to keeping the White House. To do it he needs to get Joe Biden’s wins in a series of states set aside. 

With his claim that the Supreme Court would do that looking to have evaporated, instead he has to use the procedures of the Electoral College to turn it round. 

And he needs to do it in a lot of states: if Georgia and Arizona stay on track for Joe Biden, he will have 306 votes, far above the 270 needed. Trump appears to be taking legal action, or intending to, in six states: Pennsylvania, with 20 Electoral College votes; Georgia, with 16; Michigan with 16; Arizona with 11; Wisconsin with 10; and Nevada with six.

He needs to get at least any two of the larger three states plus one more state to go Republican to get Biden under 270. 

Here is how he might manage it: 


The vote is not official until it is ‘certified’ – that is officially declared valid – which happens later in November. Georgia certifies on November 20, and Nevada and Wisconsin are last on December 1. 

Trump is already trying to get certification put on hold in Pennsylvania and Michigan, claiming large-scale irregularities.  That briefly appeared to succeed in Wayne County, MI, on Tuesday 17 when the Republicans on the bipartisan board of canvassers refused to certify – but only for a few hours before backing down. The next day they said they wanted to withdraw their signatures but it appeared to be too late under state laws; in the meantime Trump thanked them for their support.


Some Michigan Republican state senators have asked for an ‘audit’ claiming that allegations of irregularity need to be looked into.  This could be a useful tool if courts don’t come through: at the very least it would allow Republicans to say they don’t trust the certification because it has not been audited.


This is the ‘safe harbor’ deadline when all election disputes must be resolved. If they are not fully played out, whoever has a court ruling in their favor at this point keeps that result. So if Trump has certification on hold in target states, he has a chance to flip them to him starting now. 


You were not voting for the president directly: you were voting for electors to the electoral college. But the Constitution does not say that electors are winners of a popular vote. Instead the Constitution says: ‘Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors.’ In the early 19th century, states rapidly moved to make the appointment of the electors the result of the popular vote; by 1832 South Carolina was the only holdout. It stuck with that approach until secession.

So Republicans in at least three and possibly more states would have to decide that because the results are not certified – or because they claim they don’t trust the certification because of an audit or the lack of one – that they can take back control for themselves. They would argue that because the results aren’t certified or trustworthy, it’s up to them to work out the will of the people.

Then – undoubtedly in the face of huge public protest – they would appoint Republicans who will vote for Trump.  

This has happened in recent history: in 1960 Hawaii had disputed elections and sent two slates of electors. 


All three of the biggest target states – Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan – have Republican legislatures and Democratic governors. So now the governors could simply appoint their own electors – voting for Biden – and say that their votes are what counts on January 6, when the Electoral College is counted and record in Washington D.C.


Such a dramatic change would go to the Supreme Court. It has never directly ruled whether states could do that: in 2000, three of the five justices who gave the election to Bush over Gore said that state legislatures had complete control – but that is not a precedent. Now Trump’s fate would be in the hands of nine justices, three of whom he appointed and one of whom – Clarence Thomas – said that legislatures are in charge.  

Democrats would of course argue that the governors’ electors are the right ones, and a titanic battle would play out. If Trump wins – again in the face of likely huge public protest – he is on to the final stage. 


If Pennsylvania is one of the states to ignore the popular vote, Trump needs its 20 Republican electors to stick to the plan – but the state allows faithless electors. So all, or even some, could make a difference in an already mathematically fraught bid to keep the presidency. But assuming he has enough votes not going to Biden, it is on to Washington D.C.


This is D-day for the plan: The newly-sworn in Congress meets to count the Electoral College votes. The vice-president, Mike Pence, presides, over a joint session. Normally the ‘certificates’ showing how each state voted are opened in front of the vice-president, the count is recorded and with a bang of the gavel, the electoral college winner is officially declared.

Now Trump needs Republicans in the House and Senate to work together. A member of the House and a senator can jointly object to a state’s certificate when it is opened. The last time this happened was in 1877, which caused a months-long crisis, ended by compromise and followed by the Electoral Count Act of 1887. 

This time the 1887 rules come into play. If there is an objection, they split into the House and Senate and there are two hours for debate. This has only happened once, in 2005, when a tiny number of Democrats objected to Ohio’s vote count. But it was voted down overwhelmingly in both the House and Senate. 

And finally, the vote count is in alphabetical order, so Arizona will be the first battleground state where all this could be tested. 


As the Trump ships enters uncharted waters, one issue is unresolved: how do you work out what a majority of the Electoral College is? That seems simple but it might not be. If the House and the Senate come to different conclusions on a state with rival slates of electors, then the question is what happens next. 

The most likely answer is that they are simply removed from Biden’s total but not added to Trump. But does that mean the states still count in the Electoral College? The 1887 law is not clear: it seems to suggest both options are available, so Congress might have to try to decide – or Pence as president of the joint session could rule.

If Congress goes for the shrinking college, that favors Biden unless Trump has Arizona, Georgia, Michigan and Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin – all the states being targeted by Trump. But if it stays at 538, then Biden could well lose without Trump actually winning: once it falls below 270, there is no majority and therefore it is up to the House to decide.


If Trump is to win, he has to have the Republicans in the Senate vote for Arizona’s Republican slates as the first order of business. 

This is where the Georgia Senate race comes into play. 

If the Georgia runoffs are decided and Democrats take both seats, Pence would have to tie break in Trump’s favor – if that is allowed. The rules say he is president of the joint session. But they are unclear on whether he retains his tie-break power as president of the Senate. The two roles are not identical and the 1887 law appears to give him a passive, rather than active, role in the session – more like the chief justice presiding over Trump’s impeachment trial than a regular Senate session.

But if Republicans get one or both Georgia seats, the Senate will be 51-49 or 52-48, which means that any rebellion by Republicans is extremely dangerous. Assuming that Pence has a tie-break, it would take only two or three rebels to end Trump’s run. There are three obvious candidates: Mitt Romney voted to impeach him, Susan Collins owes him nothing after he refused to campaign for her, and he has called for Lisa Murkowski to be primaried. 


The 1887 law sets some ground rules for how the House and the Senate debate which slate of electors are valid. They have to decide what the true vote was at the safe harbor deadline – back on December 8 – and which slate of electors were appointed in line with state law. So the debate should – in theory – not be partisan but a determination of which side is valid. In principle, that could mean different outcomes for different states. But assuming that  a Arizona goes Trump’s way in the Senate and Biden’s way in the House, that state is tied – and then it’s on to a new constitutional crisis. 


The law says that Congress can’t move on to the next state until debate is resolved over the one in question. But it also says that the meeting cannot be dissolved until all states are decided.

So the whole proceeding could be deadlocked at Arizona. And as long as it remains deadlocked, there is a looming deadline of January 20 – at which point Pence and Trump are out of office anyway. In that scenario, Nancy Pelosi becomes president automatically at noon. 

However, Pence could break the deadlock on Arizona by ruling that the votes are not to be counted at all, and debate can resume on the next item.

Democrats clearly would not agree. In that scenario, it is impossible to say what would happen. They could walk out, say the debate is not resolved – which it would not be – and therefore Pelosi would be sworn in on January 20.

But Pence can then rule that the debate in fact is going on even without Democrats, run through the votes with only Republicans and come up with a Trump victory: meaning two rival presidents both claiming they are in charge. Both can be sworn in at noon on January 20, with only one with their personal items in the White House.

What happens then is impossible to say: the Supreme Court could try to rule between them, or the military might have to decide who is commander-in- chief. 


Of course Democrats could stick with the debate and keep going, debating each state as they go along. 

If Trump overturns six states’ votes, it is inevitable that Democrats lose, regardless of the rules. If he has fewer states, he will want the 538 figure kept in play to get Biden into a minority. This highly unlikely step gets to neither having a majority in the Electoral College.


If Trump and Biden end up here this is safer ground: the House has decided before. It does not vote under normal rules. Instead each state delegation gets one vote and has to decide among the delegation how to allot it. 

So going by current House results, 27 states have Republican majorities, and all Trump has to do it get a simple majority of them. Trump has triumphed – but it is an exhaustingly long process to get back on the platform on January 20 to be sworn in. 


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